“The resolution also reinforces that Scouting is a youth program, and any sexual conduct, whether heterosexual or homosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting.” - from the official website
You can bet that the people who are screaming about this decision will go after any member who has a boyfriend while allowing their own sons to run around town sleeping with girls.
i’m not really sure why i should be congratulating this org that still doesn’t allow queer leaders and doesn’t seem very progressive at all. this just seems like something where liberal straight men are gonna congratulate themselves on and expect ally cookies while ignoring all the other issues that harm queer youth.
I agree. There are many problems with Boy Scouts. Now there’s just one less.
In a landmark step, the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow openly gay youths as members, while continuing its policy of excluding openly gay adult leaders.
They just announced the decision minutes ago at 5:15 PM Central US Time.
i like you and a lot of things you’ve done
but i am so disappointed in you right now
you don’t get cookies because you think you’re a great ally to the community “with all those letters”
i know you think you’re being funny but your words hurt people
i know you think that every queer person ought to hold you in high-esteem because you’ve officiated gay weddings and have gay friends and have probably been to pride parades
but no that’s not how it works
i know you think that people are just throwing around accusations of queerbaiting at you
but when queer people, when the people of the community you claim to be a champion of, tell you that you’ve done something wrong
you sit the fuck down and listen
i know it’s hard but you do it anyway
i know you think you’re awesome for supporting the lgbtq community, but if your support is conditional upon all queer people being nice to you, then you are not an ally
if your support is conditional upon everyone laughing along with jokes that hurt them or degrade them, you are not an ally
if your support is conditional upon never being pissed off or feeling hurt when someone calls you out on problematic things, you are not a fucking ally
everyone fucks up, makes mistakes at some point
but if you’re not willing to listen to the people you’ve hurt and learn from them?
then why would they want you as a champion
I think you should not take him saying those things as a personal attack on you or the rest of the queer community. He is trying his best to please everyone (which probably means he’ll end up pleasing no one). He says he’s an ally because he supports that community and the only thing you can do is accept that that’s how he wants to go about doing it. You shouldn’t chide him for “not supporting something correctly” especially if he has inadvertently offended someone. Hell, at least he supports it period! That’s more than what you can say for others!
Yes, we should all be allies and be accepting of others but that also means accepting them for trying to support a group of people that they may not fully understand the culture of.
I don’t think he is asking everyone to hold him to any esteem but rather, try to understand the position that he is in and how difficult it is to deal with so many conflicting viewpoints on a very controversial topic.
Ok I’m going to give you the same response I gave another person:
I disagree because officiating gay weddings or marching in pride parades really isn’t the criteria for being a good ally? Like being a good ally also involves listening when people tell you that you’ve done something wrong. Even if you think you’re right, when members of the community you claim to be a “champion” of call you out on something, then you really should take the time to listen instead of getting defensive. Not to mention, things like marriage equality, aren’t exactly the most pressing issues facing the queer community right now. I mean, having the right to marry is important ofc, but there are other, more urgent issues to address? Like trans* rights, or homeless lgbtq+ youth, or even the racism prevalent in the queer community and how queer people of colour are never at the forefront of mainstream movements like ‘pride parades’. Plus, the gay pride parade movement was basically qpoc movement appropriated by the white lgbtq community and commodified to a point where it lost much of its old sense of resistance and became a place mostly for middle-class white dudes. The queer community is not inclusive. And it’s unfair to suggest that Misha Collins, just because he officiates some weddings or goes to a parade, is somehow a great ally.
It’s really not enough that “he supports it”. Because he’s not supporting everyone, is he? Only the mainstream cis white gay dudes, for the most part.
Also, how is it not personal? Everything is personal when you’re a member of a marginalized community.
He’s definitely trying, imho, and he’s frustrated because it’s a complex thing. I guess the best thing to do is just keep feeding him information in a respectful way. Especially about queerbaiting, since he said he doesn’t understand it.
Since there is so much back and forth, I feel that people need to have this video to get the context of what happened.
I’m really upset about this. My response to the girl’s question was of exasperation which you can hear (I say “Aye Dios Mio.”) She DOES start asking about the subtext in the show. When I heard the crowd collectively booing though, I got really uncomfortable with my own response and also theirs. When I heard Jensen’s response, I was stunned into silence and didn’t record, take pics, or really even hear the questions for a bit.
You cannot see this in the video, but I was on the side the girl was on, very close. As soon as everyone starts booing, Clif, who was standing right near her, goes up to her and began having a conversation with her. She stood to the side for a bit after she stepped away from the mic (which was right after she said “I meant no disrespect”) and I thought perhaps Clif had heard all of her question and was going to let her ask or she was going to ask a new question, but after a bit she walked away.
On the way out of the panel, my friend said she saw the girl in the ballroom, wiping at her face. I didn’t see her myself, but I don’t think you need to be a genius to guess she was upset.
What happened was not okay. Jensen needs a better response. Fandom needs a better response. We need to safeguard against this, either through screening questions or the actor being a bit more adult about it and owning up by saying “that’s not how I intended to play it, but you’re welcome to your interpretation.” These types of questions are not going away; we need to learn how to interact with them like adults. All of us. Myself included.
what the fuck, J2
What gay men give to the world. A-yup.
On the second one.
There’s this one gay club I go to that actually has a problem of straight guys going there to dance with girls. I guess these guys don’t understand that girls can also be gay, because they assume that any girls at the club are there with their gay guy friends.
So one night I was out on the dance floor, and I see this guy. He’s like over six-foot, at least, all beefed-up, muscle shirt, looks kindof like a douchebag. And he’s just circling the dance floor, in one continuous loop, looking at the crowd like a predator, and it’s creeping me the fuck out.
It’s creeping me out enough that I don’t immediately realize what’s going on nearby. Some girl has attracted one of the Assholes, who has proceeded to begin grinding on her. She’s pushing him away, telling him to get lost. He’s pulling that whole, “come on, don’t be a bitch” spiel, and generally just not getting the message.
BAM. Suddenly, the prowling guy swoops in, like some sort of Gay Avenger. He shoves himself between the girl and the Asshole, grabs the Asshole by the hips, and starts dirty dancing him like a God-damned fuck machine. Asshole completely flips his shit, like how DARE another man try to dance with him at a GAY BAR???, starts spitting curses, and tears ass off the dance floor and out onto the sidewalk.
The Gay Avenger turns back to the girl, inclines his head in an, “are you okay?” sort of gesture. She nods, and he returns to his previous position of circling the dance floor, looking for his next target.
Told this story to some guys upstairs. Apparently Gay Avenger is a regular there.
That story. My life is complete.
The Avenger that was left out of the movie for being too Fab :I
I couldn’t help it.
Uuugghhh people who can’t accept that lesbians exist
The Gripping Saga
Made rebloggable for Steven
He said 7 years after third grade, you should have done your math!
And I am a straight girl and I do think being gay is great, or better yet, normal, you know? Just as being straight is, both, great and normal.
What? You think I should think different?
I’m mostly straight and I just think sex, love, and sexual orientation are pretty great things in general. It’s all pretty cool when you think about it.
That’s very different than fetishizing.
If you say the “A” in LGBTQIA+ is for “Ally” I will personally paint the word “Asexual” on a baseball bat and beat you with it.
Now now, we can share letters…
That would solve a lot of the acronym problems, actually. Q for queer AND questioning. A for Asexual AND ally.
I usually see two A’s. But yeah, that’s a problem.